Curse

dagrdagaz · Jun 22, 2010, 06:09 PM // 18:09

I don't care much about all this WiK stuff yet.

I wanted to explore all of Twin Serpent Lakes for Cartho title, NM.
And apparantly all or most lvl16 White Mantle r replaced with lvl20's

At the same time i have to make due with a party size of 6 and crappy lvl15 Henchman.
(I see little improvement in starting from ToA with 4 crappy lvl15 Henchman, against those lvl20 White Mantle)
I tried only with only lvl20 me and 3 lvl20 Heroes, AND i party wiped !
Excuse me, I party wiped at lvl20 in Kryta doing non WiK stuff ?!!!!!

I know there have been threads and complaints and suggestions about doing WiK stuff with party size of 6 or 8 and crappy lvl15 Hencman.
My complaint is now about game disadvantage doing non WiK stuff in Kryta.

The suggestion.
lvl 20 Henchman, larger party size.
But i prefer some kind of option to disable/enable this WiK stuff entirely.

Or, do NOT replace lvl16 White Mantle with lvl20 White Mantle by default in expl areas, but ONLY when u have WiK quests active.

Ghost Dog · Jun 22, 2010, 07:10 PM // 19:10

They are not hard to kill.

Bob Slydell · Jun 22, 2010, 07:14 PM // 19:14

I haven't played in a while, but I can see how this can be really annoying and frustrating, I agree they should disable WiK if you don't have the quests or want nothing to do with it.

Nubarus · Jun 22, 2010, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Ghost Dog

They are not hard to kill.

I agree, even in HM they are not that hard to kill, I actually enjoy having them around, otherwise Kryta is rather boring.

Benderama · Jun 22, 2010, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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I tried only with only lvl20 me and 3 lvl20 Heroes, AND i party wiped !
Excuse me, I party wiped at lvl20 in Kryta doing non WiK stuff ?!!!!!

you are doing WiK content by entering a zone in kryta and meeting the requirements for WiK. seriousely the monster AI isn't that good, and if you hav 3 lvl 20 heroes and you doing it against small groups of NM AI it shouldn't be too hard. not to be mean or anything but try another strategy if you wiped (or possibly it was just one enemy using splinter weapon/enemy ele?) one enemy doesn't represent all enemies. ;D

not sure on this but i think there are still some random normal mantle mobs roaming around in some areas (might not be right). know the WiK stuff can be annoying but it really isn't that bad.

Uriel_Wolfblood · Jun 22, 2010, 08:52 PM // 20:52

If you are using 3 heroes and wiping then there is something wrong on your end not Anet's. Heroes are like you, and need to be spoiled as such. They will only perform as well as their build/equipment allows them to. Look up some hero/team builds on pvx and have some fun. Nothing in the game is SO hard that it needs to be "fixed"

Lord Dagon · Jun 22, 2010, 09:17 PM // 21:17

eh i do agree that they need to get rid of thi stuff for people that arent interested. maybe add.. oh idk.. QUESTS. that would help this out alot. i agree w/ the others tho that they arent hard to kill.. i just think they need queststo trigger to decide wether or not i feel like fighting them.

Smith23 · Jun 22, 2010, 09:33 PM // 21:33

The one thing that really gets on my nerves about the WiK are the new White Mantle enemies. Like others have said they aren't hard to kill but it's really annoying how more than just one in a party has some kind of hard resurrect skill. I have fought groups where there could be 5 or more enemies that have that kind of skill. It's really frustrating when you think your about to win to find out all the enemies have been brought back

MrGuildBoi · Jun 22, 2010, 09:34 PM // 21:34

uhm they are level 20 if you finished prophecies/eotn. im pretty sure by the time you finished either one, you should be able to handle a group of level 20's.... just pull and be careful

Amy Awien · Jun 22, 2010, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Can imagine that while carto-mapping yo can do without the extra challenge. As a practical suggestion, you could try doing it In hard mode and starting from ToA, you'd have a party of 8 and the henchmen would be level 20 as well, with better skills bars then they have at level 15.

dasmitchies · Jun 22, 2010, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Umm the larger point please? The issue is the game isnt balanced as well as it was before. Such is the challenge when adding new content to old maps. Have you also noticed they introduced other campaign skills, second classes, and almost exclusively used the skills they buffed in the last few updates? To the OP, don't expect Anet to do any hard thinking on Wik. This is just filler to keep whatever players are hangin' on till GW2.

dagrdagaz · Jun 22, 2010, 11:48 PM // 23:48

I dont have Prophecies HM yet.
Never liked the Prophecies story much.
I finished EotN.

Prolly it might go better if i look into better strategies....sure.
But i shoudnt have to.
Kryta, imo, never should be a lvl20+ area difficulty wise, in NM.

Wich brings me to another suggestion, disable this WiK cr*p....uhm...."unwanted extra challenge" for NM.
If HM junkies like it so much, let them do it in HM.

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Originally Posted by dasmitchies

To the OP, don't expect Anet to do any hard thinking on Wik.

Yes, thats painfully obvious apparently.

Puebert · Jun 23, 2010, 12:20 AM // 00:20

I know what you're going through. Yesterday, I did Aurora Glade and was unable to finish it. Yes, that's right the ever dreaded Root Behemoth was in my way. Now, he may not be level 20 like all the white mantle, but he was a bulky level 19. Since I was H/Hing, I had myself (HB monk with Banish), 3 heroes (all HB monks with Banish for damage), Alesia, and Stefan.

Unfortunately, because NM PvE is so hard, Stefan died in the first few mobs and we ended up using all our res sigs on him, so when I reached this behemoth, we had no damage.

But being as good at GW as I am, I knew I'd be able to rise to the occasion! I set up hotkeys for all my heroes' Banish skill slot so I would be able to take a page out of HA and use Banish Spike. After the first spike, I was sure we had him. But then to my horror, at the last second, not one but two Life Pods appeared and healed that bastard right up.

Shortly afterwards, my heroes and I drained all our energy on spamming Infuse Life on each other trying to out-heal the behemoth's Wild Blow and the pods' Holy Wrath. Eventually, I was unable to keep my party alive and we met a gruesome end.

Oh, and /notsigned.

majoho · Jun 23, 2010, 12:22 AM // 00:22

If you finished EotN you should be able to deal with level 20 mantles as well.

Grape Bird · Jun 23, 2010, 12:52 AM // 00:52

puebert, umad? @_@

yeah, but /notsigned. By taking the measure to undergo the WiK event (ex. watching all the dialogues, etc) , then you should be aware of what you're instigating. If you don't want the WiK npc's, then you shouldn't have had that character do all the prerequisites.

Steps_Descending · Jun 23, 2010, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by dagrdagaz

Prolly it might go better if i look into better strategies....sure.
But i shoudnt have to.
Kryta, imo, never should be a lvl20+ area difficulty wise, in NM.

Wich brings me to another suggestion, disable this WiK cr*p....uhm...."unwanted extra challenge" for NM.
If HM junkies like it so much, let them do it in HM.

Making it HM-only would be more restrictive, but maybe better concidering henchies level. There might be some value in that suggestion.

About kryta, as it is not in the mandatory parts of the game (that means the missions, you don't see much of kryta beyond this), I say go for the elegant solution and keep it static. Put another way : you don't need to be in WiK areas unless you have the level/experience to face them. Deep-Kryta became a high level area!
Am I the only one wo get a "parrallel dimension" feeling with the way a single part of the game can work in 2 or 3 different ways?

/notsigned

dagrdagaz · Jun 23, 2010, 01:17 PM // 13:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by majoho

If you finished EotN you should be able to deal with level 20 mantles as well.

In EotN i have lvl20 Henchman with an Elite.
And always a party size of 8

@Ghost Dog, good for u!
But for those who havent played HM at all, these lvl20 White Mantle in NM r a pain.

And this is Anets fault for replacing easy lvl16 WM with annoying lvl20 WM in NM Kryta and not giving us anything, or to little, to compensate.

Just my luck Twin Serpent Lakes is crawling with these lvl20 White Mantle
Well, i apparently must suck cos i keep party wiping.

[sarcasm]Yeah right.[/sarcasm]

ok, i am done ranting/complaining.

Burning Freebies · Jun 23, 2010, 10:09 PM // 22:09

I didn't find this too much of a problem, until I got to Hard Mode. I started taking up some of the bounty quests, then realised I could vanquish the place pretty easily. The only problem-a White Mantle boss. But wait-he was a monk, with another monk in his mob, and a few peacekeepers. I also find the Jade Cloaks (the jade eles) too hard to get on my own with a discordway build (makes sense a bit, as the other jade aren't exploitable). I do feel the War in Kryta is taking a bit too long-I really want to get back into exploring areas and beginning to vanquish areas of kryta, but i can't with these stronger mantle (level 26 in HM) and peacekeepers (lvl 26-30 in HM). So, im with you here.

dagrdagaz · Jun 24, 2010, 11:34 AM // 11:34

I do have to add that the (smaller) WM/Peacekeeper mobs i encountered in NM North Kryta Province and Black Curtain were not a problem.

The WM/Peacekeeper mobs in NM Twin Serpent Lakes r atm to much for me.
But then, that part of Kryta is supposed to be more difficult.

Bassplayer15 · Jun 24, 2010, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by dagrdagaz

And this is Anets fault for replacing easy lvl16 WM with annoying lvl20 WM in NM Kryta and not giving us anything, or to little, to compensate.

I'm confused on how this is Anets fault, you did the WiK quests knowing that things were going to be changed. If you wanted to have easy lvl 16s to fight, well then you shouldn't have done the quests for WiK.